Friday, May 23, 2008

Rick Warren: yikes.

“The biggest mistake people make is that we think that sermons will produce spiritual maturity.”

This is very very sad. You can probably produce change in people apart from the preaching of the word, but it may not be the change that God wants to see...thats the only way i can read 2 Corinthians 3:17-4:6

Now the Lord[a] is the Spirit, and where(A) the Spirit of the Lord is, there is(B) freedom. And we all, with unveiled face,(C) beholding(D) the glory of the Lord,[b](E) are being transformed into the same image(F) from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Therefore, having(G) this ministry(H) by the mercy of God,[c] we do not lose heart. But we have renounced(I) disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or(J) to tamper with God’s word, but(K) by the open statement of the truth(L) we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. And even(M) if our gospel is veiled,(N) it is veiled only to(O) those who are perishing. In their case(P) the god of this world(Q) has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing(R) the light of(S) the gospel of the glory of Christ,(T) who is the image of God. For what(U) we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with(V) ourselves as your servants[d] for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said,(W) "Let light shine out of darkness,"(X) has shone in our hearts to give(Y) the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.


sheep wanderer said...

This is sad indeed, as sad as the news that the HEFB is going ahead. The West is heading for disaster!

Tom said...

This is very poor. The criticism levelled at Warren is drawn from soundbites then the presenter jumps in. Then the presenters jump in on each few words. He has no right of reply, it's basically character assassination under the guise of doctrinal examination. I have just lost a massive amount of respect for Way of the Master for treating fellow brothers and sisters in this way. It's disgusting. You should let someone explain their point of view fully. I could easily take a recording of Way of the Master and pick at it, with some sound editing software until I found something juicy. Is that helpful? Is that the right way to engage with each other? Of course he wasn't saying that he doesn't want to teach the bible. What an absurd and disingenuous suggestion. They should be utterly ashamed at the quality and tone of this. I don't know whether to despair more at the fact that you guys (Sheep and Ed) think that their criticism is spot on, or the poor quality of the criticism itself.

Tom said...

If you want to know how discipleship (spiritual maturity) actually happens you'll need Romans 12.

The renewing, of body and mind
All of life worship
Use of gifts